June 17, 2005

EW Must Miss Party


How many photogs can you fit on a sheet of 6"X8" piece of paper?

Entertainment Weekly Must List Party
PR- Dan Klores Communication
June 16, 2005

This report comes to us from ZePhotog:

Where do I begin ?

Well let's re-write the EW Must List :

1) Fire Dan Klores Communication, they're incompetent and do not
deserve to work

2) When you book celebrities, make sure they are coming

3) Stop promoting nobodies like they are of any importance, if no other magazines are running them, there must be a good reason !!!


Now, this being said, let's see...

Here's how the spots were marked, that's the same for both TV &
photogs, 2 full rows deep :

13 comments:

Lotsa Paparrazza said...

Q: "How many photogs can you fit on a sheet of 6"X8" peice of paper?"

A: 3...if they're the size of an Olsen

Padded list...again. Yeah..a lot of people came but..

Honestly, I don't think The Duffster was ever coming. At one point, a DKC pr person said "of course, she's coming...Chris Noth is here and they're in that movie together."

huh?! ::blink::blink:: what.the.hell.does.THAT.mean?

It's probably just me but I don't consider Hillay Duff that much of an "enticement". But if you put her on a list as if she's going to be one of the "main attractions", then you'd better deliver her.

Photogs in the front row were squeezed so tightly together 'cause nobody was given up their front row spot. I'm pretty sure a couple of those photogs left with bruised kidneys.

;~D

One photog almost got a bloody lip just trying to get to his spot in the 2nd row (nothing violent...it was an accident). He ended up planting himself just outside of the tent. Smart move.

The photo ops were technicall better OUTSIDE of the tent because there was no EW backdrop. Plus the "talent" posed longer on the backdropless concrete than they did on the pink carpet.

Whatever.

Shoot First said...

You mean you didn't walk away with a photo that was at least 10 grand and hit worlwide last night?

I'm lucky if I made back the $ on my commuter fare.

The thing is the PR people ( DAN KLORES PR ) shows their client ( EW/TIME INC ) the list of photographers who RSVP'd and say look but we had this many photographers there and the like so it must be a sucessful event. So therefore hire us for a next job!

PURE B.S!! (little does EW/TIME INC know how the PR treats us like dirt!)

OK so now you have hoodwinked us to be there ( by giving us a "padded" list) yet:
1. Given us no proper working space - a 6x8 piece of paper as mentioned barely fits an Olsen twin!!

I thought the meaning of event PR was the sucessful marketing of your event(s) for media exposure?

ANOTHER PURE B.S !

"PADDING" THE LIST JUST TO GET US THERE MAY GET US THERE WITHOUT A DOUBT BUT IT MAKES YOU ( DAN KLORES PR ) LOOK LIKE LIARS AND BY ASSOCIATION YOUR CLIENT (EW/TIME INC) LOOK LIKE LIARS!

or maybe that is the kind of reputation you guys (PR and client)are looking for?

Dan Klores PR (if you can call it that) needs to go back to PR 101...

fingerazzi said...

Duff-Less At Deep -
Some well thought out previous comments. I would just like to add that the publicists SAW the situation, they SAW how squeezed together we were and it didn't phase them at all. We could barely work totally packed in like that and they just thought it was business as usual....yeah lets treat them like animals they're use to it. To stand in working conditions like that for four hours is just ridiculous.

ZePhotog said...

Now just in case you are wondering as there is no scale reference on this picture, these are 4x6's, not 8x10's !!!!!

So each photog has to feet within 10 inches including the spacing between sheets !!!!

Someone ought to give these numb nuts the 411 on human physics, NO ONE above the age of 1 is less than 10 inches wide, NO ONE !!!!! And that's without the equipment !!!!

When asked why there was so little space for the press, the answer is : "Uh, you have space, we marked the spots, you guys have to work it out together because we do not have anymore space".

What ? WHAT ? WWWHHHHAAAATTTTT ?
Uh, what about the 60+ feet of tented red carpet lined up with guest check-in tables at the other end ? Do you really need that much space for check-in ? And what about the foreign POS sponsor car that's eating up another 10 feet or so smack in the middle of the tented red carpet ? Scared the car might get wet with the rain ? Oh, yes of course, cars are not waterproof, sorry, I forgot !!!

But then again, since you marked spots, you knew how many photographers were coming, right ? So why are you planing space for 10 shooters when you know you have 23 spots to mark ?
Do you need us to send a picture with our credential request from now on so you have a general idea of the average girth of a photographer ?

Incompetence and stupidity hard at work is always a disastrous spectacle !!!!

Now, the list... oh yes, the dream list... What is it with PR and that need to have tons of press for the show and to prove their efficiency towards their client ?
Stop sending out lists you already know you cannot deliver...

If you can't even get Star Jones or the Gastineau girls to come to your $ 30,000 free gift bag party, how do you expect Hilary Duff to come the night before an early morning show ?

STOP LYING just to get the press to cover your event, because that makes us angry and now we are going to complain to EW's editor in chief and let him know what a poor job you did as PR...

And while we're at it, stop digging yourselves up to the neck into your lies by waiting till 10.30pm (when the event started at 7.30pm) to finally admit that your main and only name is not coming !!!!

You really expect us to believe that she called you 5 minutes ago to let you know that she couldn't make it ?

Being lied to our faces is bad enough, we don't need to be played for stupid brainless fools on top of it !!!!

Dan Klores communication is probably the worst PR firm around in NY that's handling somewhat decent events and this has to be put to an end.
In any other business, the kind of performance they deliver day after day would get them fired without 2 weeks notice... right away.
So why is it that in this business, not only they don't get fired, but they actually walk away with their lies and their incompetence with everybody's blessing ??

I propose that we all send emails, faxes or letters to the Editor in Chief and the Director of Marketing of EW to let them know how the press was disrespected and treated like bleep one more time...


Oh, I almost forgot, I heard that Fernando who wasn't on the list, stayed and tried to shoot from the fans area outside of the tent, well, that was up until the PR's, unhappy with him doing his job, decided to call the cops on him and have him removed from the fans area !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It's time we really get organized and have some sort of union or association (like the NY Photographers press association but for celebrity red carpet events) so we can fight back and get the respect and decent work conditions we deserve...

We have to make PR's understand that we're not just a bunch of happy campers so glad to come to an event and waste our time for nothing but their client's satisfaction, parading for the show with $ 20,000 worth of equipment around our necks...

We have a JOB to do and a RENT to pay, so give us proper work conditions already !!!!!

Nikon Deb said...

Zephotographer wrote
"It's time we really get organized and have some sort of union or association (like the NY Photographers press association but for celebrity red carpet events) so we can fight back and get the respect and decent work conditions we deserve...
We have to make PR's understand that we're not just a bunch of happy campers so glad to come to an event and waste our time for nothing but their client's satisfaction, parading for the show with $ 20,000 worth of equipment around our necks...
We have a JOB to do and a RENT to pay, so give us proper work conditions already !!!!!"

This is by far the BEST, SMARTEST comment that has appeared on this board yet. IF we ALL stay together, maybe things will change. "The meak shall not inherit the earth." If we don't take a stand, it's just going to get worse and worse.
I was speaking with an English celebrity photographer last week who told me how events are in England. He said it was once the way it is here, and they ALL got together and told the PR people they will no longer cover events until the situation for them changed. It did, and they all seem happy. I don't know if this group here WOULD stick together but it's a way to try and change things. Just look at the last few weeks-Cinderella Man, Bewitched, EW Party...3 events that have each been worse than the previous and I am not speaking in terms of talent who showed, but how we the photographers were treated.
A union is a great idea and people have been speaking about this for as long as I have been around.
D

Lotsa Paparrazza said...

well...I wouldn't go as far as unionizing but we definitely need an "all for one and one for all" approach/attitude to these PR matters. we've done it before. we just have to be consistent from event to event/from PR to PR.

and while it should be great for the PR to go by their RSVP list, that marked-spots business has got to go! if we want to be squished together like sardines, we don't need their help.

[Personally, I think that they're being purposely sadistic when they mark spots like that. You can't possibly think that grownups, some over 6 feet tall, can fit into those spots. They even had video on top of each other. Just plain EVIL.]

I can't wait to see what WAR OF THE WORLDS will yield. I'm going to lose a few pounds before the event should we end up in another marked-spots situation. I want to at least be able to fit my middle left finger into a spot!

ZePhotog said...

Sticking together should be right next to making lots of money on our TO DO list, because it IS the only way we will get the respect and proper work conditions we strive for..

Marked spots per se is not a bad concept, but I would say our first assignment as a group would probably be to educate PR's to the general laws of physics the human body is submitted to...

Maybe we ought to elect among ourselves a couple of consultants that would help the PR out prior to the vent, when they're planing their set up...

It's just an idea, but it may actually work...

Shoot First said...

Hey here's a funny thing though I actually believe PR people think we get paid by the hour.

Note to the PR:

WE DO NOT GET PAID BY THE HOUR TO STAND THERE AND MAKE YOUR CLIENT'S JOCKSTRAP HAPPY!


We get paid by royalties on image licensing to media: print, TV, internet....

Meaning we get NO pix magazines will shell out $$$ for and your event gets no PR!!! Zippo!

So you would think PR would make it their effort to please us with photos magazines (USA & International) WILL pay a licensing fee and spend their $$$ on?

VERY SIMPLE RIGHT??

Basic marketing dedicates you would want to sell your product (event)!

Hence, respect for the media goes a long way in "pushing" your photos to outlets worldwide!

VERY SIMPLE RIGHT??

If not just labeling the events: Actress xxxx out and about in Manhattan, with no mention of any event or location makes such a better option!

once again....
VERY SIMPLE RIGHT??

Kingfreak said...

Having some type of union among photographers has always been an interesting idea to entertain.

Shoot First makes a good point "labeling the events: Actress xxxx out and about in Manhattan, with no mention of any event or location" could be our first way to unite.

If we could get EVERY PHOTOGRAPHER at an event, that we were treated poorly at, to "Boycott Caption (BC)" their photos, it may be a start. I know, I know...in an ideal world...

After a crappy event we can announce to all shooters "THIS IS A BC EVENT!" and we will all know what to do.

Imagine having our agencies attaching a rider to all photos from an event: "Must Caption As Written. Deviation Will Result In Penality Fees". I'm sure that would wake up A LOT of PR.

G said...

Why not have the photo agencies put the pressure on these PR companies? It becomes as much a problem for them as it does for us, seeing that if we dont get the pix, then the photo agencies get nothing either. PR would be more likely to listen to calls from wireimage, getty, and AP before getting complaints from Joe Ze Fotog...eh?

G said...

then again, something tells me wireimage, getty and AP rarely have these problems.... :)

ZePhotog said...

I've done "BC" captions a couple of times in the past, but it would indeed only be efficient if everybody did so, and that includes the "A-Listers" that would probably refuse because of their agencies' internal "PR #ss kissing" policies...

But we can always hope and try, we'll never know until we try it...

G said...

A listers dont have these problems, not to mention a lot of them are staffers, who get paid either way....